Jon Cross talks with The Nelms Brothers, Ian and Eshom, all about their start in the business, their films Waffle Street, Small Town Crime and Fatman, behind the scenes with Mel Gibson, working with Robert Forster, Octavia Spencer's addiction to crime stories, sending faxes to John Hawkes, the greatness of Dale Dickey, American muscle cars, stupid agents and much more.

This is an insightful, engaging and fascinating conversation that is indispensable for anyone who loves movies or who is thinking of making movies. 

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